Thursday, May 22, 2014

WI: Private Buyers at Milwaukee Gun Turn In (Buy Back) do Well

A group of private purchasers at the Milwaukee gun turn in (buy back)

As the event in Milwaukee was about to begin, private gun purchasers began to show up.    I counted 10 near the beginning of  the event, but the numbers increased.  The private purchasers spread out along the streets as the lines of vehicles backed up.  There were about 15 to 20 of them at the height of the action.

The ones that I talked to repeatedly said that they did not  have a problem with the event, and that by  purchasing the more valuable guns, they helped stretch the event dollars.   More than once, I saw private purchasers tell people bringing guns to the event that they could obtain  more money than the gun was worth at the event,  so they were better off turning  it in.

One participant at the event said that  they knew the guns that they turned in were not worth as much as what they could obtain at the event, and that was why they turned those guns in.   They said that they had other guns at home.

One private purchaser obtained this Taurus model 85 for $100.  It was in like new condition.  Used ones often sell for $300.

Several  private purchasers indicated that they had passed background checks and could legally purchase firearms.

There was a significant police presence at the event.   The police were friendly and everyone had a good time.   The private purchasers said that only one officer was a bit abrasive, but he was not there for the entire event.  Even Mayor Barrett, who has called for restrictive gun laws, said that the private buyers had a right to be there:
"Its America, I support their right to be here."

Several firearms were examined and purchased within 30 feet of these officers
The private purchasers used the presence of the police to assure the sellers that the action was legal.  I overheard more than one private purchaser say words to the effect: "This is perfectly legal.   The police have no problem with this.  See they are right here."

I only noticed one person that was mildly disruptive.   One man yelled at people:
"Do the right thing!  Don't sell to these guys!"
An older woman who was talking to a private buyer, while standing in line to turn in an inherited pistol, showed some spunk and chastised him,  saying:
You don't know me!  
Later on, when the individual was shouting on a street corner, a police officer talked to him and he became less boisterous.

Most private purchasers bought several guns.  They said that they liked guns and that they intended to keep them or give them to family members.  One said that he had purchased a pistol for his wife.

The purchaser said that he paid $60 for the Marlin made .22 rifle  on top, and $100 for the SKS.   He bought at least five guns at the event.

Another purchaser obtained this Mossberg 500 shotgun with an extra barrel and case for $75.    That is what I paid for one 40 years ago, used, without the extra barrel or case.   This one had a little superficial rust, but it was a good deal.  It usually sells for about $200 to $250.

I believe this Winchester model 1200 was purchased for $75.

Hi-Point  pistols go for about $150, but they have a lifetime warranty.  A private purchaser picked up this one at the event.
I estimate that about 50 firearms were purchased privately.  There were 353 firearms turned in at the event, so private buyers purchased about one seventh of the number turned in.

If the organizers of the event would coordinate with the private purchasers, more people could obtain market value for their possessions, and the event organizers would be able to stretch their limited resources to get more guns from people who do not  want them in their homes.   If people are ignorant of  the guns they own, they probably do not know the gun laws, and may be unwilling to take them to a gun dealer or pawn shop.   They may not consider it worth their while to take a gun to Cabela's.    Cooperation between private purchasers and the "buy back" organizers could be a win-win situation.

It would dispel the notion that the event is primarily used as political theater to push the theme that "guns are bad" and that they should be turned in to police.

 Academics have found that these events have no measurable effect on crime.  The people who turn in the guns are not criminals, and the guns turned in are not the ones commonly used in crime.

Rumors floated about.   I heard that a Thompson was turned in, but no one knew if it were an original or a later reproduction.  I never saw it, and it was never mentioned in the news, so it likely did not exist.   People said several .357 magnum revolvers were turned in, but I did not see them.

Private purchasers were wary of the old media.  A couple had read articles of mine on the Internet, and they opened up to me. 

The people at the event were friendly and welcoming.  Everybody had a good time.

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Update:  Jeremy, who was there, reminded me that one of the friendly officers who came out and chatted with them said that a full auto Sten submachine gun had been turned in.  I have not been able to  verify that, except that I did see one officer removing what appeared to be a very long magazine (like a Sten's) from something, at a distance.


Jeremy said...

When one of the officers came out and chatted with us, he said that he cleared a full auto sten! "He probably shouldn'a had that..." I think that may have been what sparked the later discussion about NFA.

Dean Weingarten said...

How would he know it was full auto without testing it?

The Sten fires from an open bolt. You can test it without actually firing it...

But it takes some thought to do so.

I would certainly like to examine what was turned in, and check it out.

ssgmarkcr said...

It always warms my heart to read about these enterprising citizens who only wish to in essence recycle these unwanted firearms and give them a good home. I'm willing to bet that the superficial rust found on that shotgun barrel was gone by the next day, if not that evening.
Unfortunately, some places persecute these people who are merely trying to do the same thing the government does.