Monday, May 11, 2015

Los Angeles Gun Turn In 'buy back' Cheats Many Innocents

Los Angeles police hosted another gun turn in event on Saturday, the 9th of May, 2015.  Experts agree that these events have no measurable effect on crime, suicides, or accidents.   California is one of the dwindling places where such events still occur without the competition of private buyers.  Private buyers offer higher values for the antiques that are often brought in by widows or other heirs, who do not know the value of the items that they are turning in.   From
“I wanted them out of my house,” explained Lynne Emile.
Her husband died three years ago and she dusted around two hand guns ever since – a burden she chose to get rid of.
You can see some classic handguns that were turned in in the picture above.  A 1911 type with what an early green Teflon type finish.  It is probably worth about $500.  The finish was a custom job popular in the 1980's and later.   There are two classic Colt revolvers that seem to be in excellent condition.   One is a Detective Special, the other, an early Officers Model.   They are worth about $600 and $1,200 respectively, far more than the $100 gift card that was received.   It is hard to say what other treasures there might be under the jumble of inexpensive imports from the 1960's.  I see at least one decent Smith & Wesson. 

I believe this is another image of the Colt Officer's Model on the top of  pile in the bin:

A number of long guns were also turned in.  You can see some of them on the display table.

The AR-15 type rifles are worth about $600 each, and an alert reader believes the scoped handgun on the left to be a Freedom Arms single action, valued at over $2,000.   There is another 1911 type above the Freedom Arms scoped revolver.

There were a couple of "illegal" guns turned in.  The short barreled shotgun shown below is likely illegal.   They were made illegal in the infamous National Firearms act of 1934, when a serious attempt was made to outlaw handguns.  It would not make sense to outlaw handguns, but allow people to cut down shotguns and rifles to make effective handguns, so short barreled rifles and shotguns were outlawed as well.  The short barreled rifle and shotgun ban passed.  The pistol ban did not.   The law ceased making any sense after the Supreme Court affirmed that handguns were protected under the second amendment in the Heller and McDonald decisions.

Short barreled shotgun in Los Angeles

Near identical firearms are now ruled to be legal under the National Firearms Act by the ATF.   The difference is that the gun in Los Angeles probably had a shoulder stock installed at the factory;  the Shockwave Technologies gripped model did not.  That is the sort of arcane difference that is common in U.S. gun laws.  Was a piece of wood attached at the factory, or wasn't it?   The difference is a potential $10,000 fine and 10 years in jail.    You might have to search factory records to be sure.

 Shockwave Technologies version made from a Mossberg 500 before a shoulder stock was attached.

It is hard for widows to take the guns to a gun store in California, because so many have been driven out of business, and people are fearful of contravening one of the myriad of confusing gun laws that the state has passed.  So a combination of ignorance and fear results in poor widows turning in thousand dollar guns for a pittance.

People who have more knowledge use the turn in ('buy back' is a propaganda term.  The government never owned these guns before)  to convert junk to money:
 Reese  told Benedict that the two rifles he turned in were both worth less than the two $100 gift cards he received.

This rusty Marlin .22, probably an 80, 780, or 880 series, is not worth much.  It is one of the rare guns destroyed by neglect. 

There are no legal private buyers, because California has outlawed them.   In California, you are not allowed to sell a firearm unless you first obtain government permission to do so, obtained from a licensed government agent. 

This has not had a measurable effect on the crime rate, but it may have increased the murder rate a bit.   In a study of gun shows in California and Texas, one of the only statistically significant results  were that at the relatively unregulated Texas shows, where guns could be purchased immediately, instead of with a 10 day wait, as in California, the murder rate with guns dropped in the two weeks immediately after a gun show.   One obvious explanation is that potential murderers wondered if their victim might have obtained a gun at the gun show.  The authors of the study were not happy with the answer that they obtained, and downplayed the results.

People are required to wait 10 days to legally obtain a gun anywhere in California, though a federal court has ruled the waiting period unconstitutional, at least for people who already own guns.   The Attorney General, Kamala Harris, has refused to follow the ruling at this time.

I expect that we will continue to see this sort of wasteful political propaganda in those states where there are many infringements on the second amendment.    Perhaps federal courts will eventually knock down more of the irrational and counterproductive California gun laws, but I do not expect it to happen soon.

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Anonymous said...

Please look at the hand grip on the revolver you mentioned. It appears to be a Ruger , either a 30 carbine or a .357

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that if you carefully examine the California gun laws, each of the guns collected at this event were a violation of the fire arms transfer law recently passed.

Wireless.Phil said...

30 Caliber?

Dean Weingarten said...

You may be right. Ruger did make a few 9.5" and 10" barreled single action revolvers.

If it is a Ruger, it would be about a $500 rig, I would estimate.

Anonymous said...

Note the stepped blade front sight, I have a new model black hawk in .357, 6.5 inch barrel with the extra 9mm cylinder. In the picture, near the top of the grip, appears to be the Ruger emblem. I would like to get the same model in 30 carbine but my next purchase I hope will be a Beretta 9mm with the 5.4 inch barrel. I have already made the shoulder holster for it, so I have to find one and all the magazines I can carry. I really like the 9mm in the black hawk. I load my own ammo in many calibers. I have several Rugers and one Beretta Garcia .22 model 74 custom target but I can not find magazines for it (10 round). I believe an empty gun is just a club. I make all of my own leather work. single or double shoulder holsters and fast draw rigs. Once I get the Beretta 9mm I plan to make a double shoulder holster rig for the two Berettas. My very simple design makes them conceal very well. I saw two 30 carbines at the Yuma gun show but thought they were over priced. I already have a double holster fast draw rig made for the different caliber Rugers. I made one rig that has an ammo pouch for the .22/.22mag single six pair that holds 200+ rounds. and snap on individual pouches for the extra cylinders. So far I have used up three sides of leather and made more than 14 rigs for myself and several rigs for friends. I made an over the shoulder scabbard for my Rossi .357 lever action rifle. A bandolier with pouches that holds over 500 rounds of various calibers and over a box of 12 gauge and a box of .410. I think I may have to buy a burro. But I hate to run out of ammo.

Anonymous said...

I have absolutely No use for short barreled guns anything past 50 feet and you are just throwing bullets in the general area. If you want accuracy a 4 inch barrel is as short as I would accept. I have pistols with 9.5 inch barrels and would put them up against any scoped pistols with short barrels for accuracy using open sights. You have far less recoil with longer barrels and usually much better balance. I really do not like snub nosed thirty eights. If you are going to carry a gun you should be able to hit anything you can see and short barreled guns just do not cut it.

Anonymous said...

I swear by Ruger quality. I had one pistol that I easily put 25,000 rounds through and it was as tight as the day I bought it. I do not know what the abilities of the Ruger plant in Prescott is capable of but I soon hope to find out.

Anonymous said...

I find it frightening that the cops handling these guns have their finger on the trigger in some of those photos. They of all people should know better...all the more reason to stay away.

Anonymous said...

To wireless Phil, Yes a 30 carbine. The same cartridge the M1 carbine uses, It actually has a very good punch. It would be a good companion gun to carry with my M1 Carbine and uses the very same ammo. I only have 21 magazines for my M1, the better part of them being 30 round. Like I said before I hate to run out of ammo. The flexibility of carrying a rifle and a pistol that uses the same ammo is a plus in my book. that's why I have the Rossi and the Ruger .357s and the single sixes' and the 22 semi auto rifles. I can carry one in 22 mag, one in 22lr and I have made speed loaders for the tube fed rifles. I carry the speed loaders in an arrow quiver. It takes about three seconds to reload the tube magazine. That is faster than loading 14 rounds one at a time.